Swaroop wants to Wikify Yahoo! Notepad. Did you even know we had a Yahoo! Notepad? I bet many of you did not.

I used to keep my grocery list on it back in 2000, but eventually gave that up for some reason. I still don't know why.

I say we take it step farther and give some wiki space to every Yahoo! Group as well. I wonder how many groups would use it...

Where else should Yahoo have wiki functionality available? Mail? Messenger? Others?

Posted by jzawodn at April 18, 2005 01:39 PM

Reader Comments
# Basil Crow said:

I'd say it would be far more beneficial to improve the Yahoo Groups search function before adding a wiki. For a search company, it is embarassingly difficult to search messages in Yahoo Groups. I have spent often half an hour (!) clicking "next," "next," "next," and waiting through slow response times to search through old archives. Imagine if Google worked that way, having to click a new button to search things that weren't a few weeks old. Please improve Yahoo Groups Search!

on April 18, 2005 02:01 PM
# Mike said:

You forgot the exclamation point after Yahoo(!) in your title.

on April 18, 2005 02:04 PM
# Stephen Duncan Jr said:

The first thing Yahoo! needs to do for the Notepad is to make the portlet for it on My Yahoo! work all the time.

I generally have no notes, so I get this message: You don't have any notes. Create one using the form below.

Yet, I'd say I actually have the form show up about 25% of the time.

RE: Wikis. I'm not really into them, but I don't see how they'd be useful for Notepad. I consider Wikis as a collaboration tool, whereas my Notepad is a personal tool...

on April 18, 2005 02:43 PM
# Pedro Melo said:


The main reason I have for not using Wiki's that much, is that editing in a text area sucks big time.

I want to edit in my favourite editor, whatever that is, so I need an API to edit and create new nodes.

best regards,

on April 18, 2005 03:18 PM
# Ben Turner said:

Yahoo! notepad is missing something... It could be really useful, but, it's just not integrated enough. Or something. Something...

on April 18, 2005 03:25 PM
# Jeremy Leader said:

Pedro, have you looked at mozex (http://mozex.mozdev.org/) (assuming you're using Mozilla or Firefox)?

on April 18, 2005 04:43 PM
# Swaroop C H said:

Another step that I would really love is a Notepad tab in Messenger :)

on April 18, 2005 07:02 PM
# nate koechley said:

Groups is the most obvious. 360 perhaps. I can think of some interesting uses in Travel, like free-form travelogs.

Notepad is nice, i use it. I end up with duplicate notes though, if i'm not rigorous about using the Cancel button after reading one of my notes. I'd love a permalink to individual notes; perhaps the ability to make some public/open and others the default of private/personal.

Time-based content is great, hence blogging and 360. Permanent content is important too though. What's the best way for a user to share some static content, such as my recipe for apple pie, or personally written driving directions to my neighborhood from SFO?

Web hosting is too much. Blogging is too fleeting. Notes are too private... Seems wiki's or some less-geek-sounding system for static public posting is needed.


(by the way, jeremy, you should really have a label html tag around the "remember info" text, to associate it with the checkbox, increase the "hot" area for clicking, and provide better accessibility: http://www.w3schools.com/tags/tag_label.asp )

on April 18, 2005 07:28 PM
# Steve Rubel said:

Jeremy I would love to see this. Right now I too am using a wiki as my "personal space." I once used Notepad but now find it outdated.

on April 18, 2005 07:28 PM
# Artem said:

Wikis are useful if they have non-trivial numbers links to interlink.

I am a wiki fan so I'd say: go ahead and wikify everything. It would be especially useful to make wiki style autolinks between PIM elements. If I mention Jeremy Zawodny, or [[Jeremey Zawodny]] or JeremyZawodny, I want my note to auto-link to an existing address book entry. Text like "May 2005" or "14 May 2005 14:00" would make an autolink to my calendar with appropriate view. Another very important wiki feature worth to mention is backlinks ("pages linking to here"). BTW, I like the way things rendered in TiddlyWiki.

I guess I know the reason why notepad did not work as a grocery notepad for you (and for everyone else). When you have an access to My Yahoo, you are umm... out of context with regard to your groceries. To put it simply notepad *on the fridge* works much better.

on April 18, 2005 07:29 PM
# Jon said:

I've been using Gmail for my notepad. Gives me HTML formatting; plus I can search all my notes at once. Just use Save Draft so you can edit it again in the future. More on this idea: http://jonaquino.blogspot.com/2005/03/gmail-as-notepad-of-web.html

on April 18, 2005 09:39 PM
# deepak said:

More than a Yahoo Group Wiki, I would love to have a Yahoo Group Blog. That's something I wrote about even before 360 went public.

on April 18, 2005 10:37 PM
# bob said:

I absolutely agree with basil.

Before you start poncing around with new features for yahoo groups, fix those it already has.

Search used to work fine. Maybe not as whizzy as google could do it, but it did the job, and I was happy.

Then, for no obvious reason, yahoo broke it, horrifically. Now it is a massive pain in my side.

The ui look and feel was tinkered with recently, inconsequentially, but the functionality was left broken - inexcusable.

As soon as (if ever) google groups comes out of beta, I'm off.

on April 19, 2005 02:46 AM
# bob said:

In the meantime, I switched all my yahoo group memberships to my gmail account, and now I never need to visit the yahoo site at all.

on April 19, 2005 02:53 AM
# bob said:

Google also graciously archives all the message attachments for me, too, heavy lifting that yahoo groups found itself incapable of some time ago.

Even tho' yahoo groups would be storing a single copy for the whole group, where google now stores a separate copy for almost every member of some of the groups I'm on (unless they have something clever going on in the background).

I can guess why yahoo felt they couldn't store all attachments in perpetuity - I think people were abusing it as free web storage. But surely the answer would have been to have a limit on the quantity of attachments stored, and throw away the oldest when it filled up.

Instead, the current situation means a whole class of users (those who take daily message digests) don't ever get to see attachments.

on April 19, 2005 03:01 AM
# bob said:

This has turned into a bit of a rant, please forgive me. There is no other part of yahoo which gives any impression of listening, let alone understanding.

My experiences of Yahoo's "customer services" have been deeply underwhelming, which would be par for the course if I wasn't paying good money for some of your services, but as I am, it is hugely frustrating and upsetting.

Don't even get me started on yahoo mail, and how they have introduced just enough javascript into the front end to stop it working with the opera browser on my mobile phone, and yet give no obvious benefits over the old system of simple, accessible html links.

Also, I don't know if anyone else has found recently that opening several messages in separate tabs in firefox simultaneously no longer works - typically one message will open correctly, and the others will redirect back to the mail home page.

on April 19, 2005 03:18 AM
# bob said:

Could you remove my email address from that previous post? I naively assumed it might be obfuscated in some way.


on April 19, 2005 03:22 AM
# Ricky said:

Off topic alert! Man oh man I wish Launch worked in firefox. I hate opening IE to listen to my station and I can't even listen to it at home since I'm on linux.

on April 19, 2005 08:05 AM
# Pete Prodoehl said:

It's funny you mention "grocery list" and "wiki" together...

on April 19, 2005 11:02 AM
# Gutterbun said:

Wikis for Yahoo Groups would be wonderful. I have a Yahoo Group for a school study group, and we are writing a research paper. A wiki would be a wonderful way to collaborate on it.

Notepad could use a lot of changes. It's okay for temporary notes, but I'd like a tool I could use for long term things I want to remember, but I am not sure where else to store them. Having a title field would help, and a URL for each note that doesn't change when the note is updated. Also, I'd like to be able to search notes from mysearch.yahoo.com, or at least from a bookmarklet (or both!). I posted more detailed thoughts about this a few weeks ago: http://huskygutterbun.blogspot.com/2005/03/yahoo-feature-wishlist.html

on April 19, 2005 12:40 PM
# Adarsh Bhat said:

I don't think anyone would care enough to go through multiple browser clicks to enter a note. Integration with messenger would be the way to go if Notepad were to be revived.

But again, a wiki? With one person editing that doesn't make much sense. Not everyone wants to have fancy formatted notes. And then there's the learning curve.

on April 20, 2005 07:06 AM
# Casi said:

I want a yahoo group wiki!

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