For reasons of laziness, I've switched to using Debian's default KDE setup on my Linux box at work. (I'm still using the custom-designed FVWM2 setup at home.)

You know what? I like it. By and large it doesn't feel like it's getting in my way at all. And that's not what I expected. There are a few things I adjusted (mouse focus issue--I can't stand click-to-focus). And there's one annoyance. Every time I highlight something URL-like, to put it into the X clipboard, this stupid little applet thing pops up and tries to "help" me decide what to do with it.

Anyone know what it is and how to disable it?

And for some reason it seems to ignore part of my ~/.Xdefaults. I haven't quite sorted that out yet.

Other than that, I'm sorta liking this. It's a bit more pretty than my dull-ass FVWM2 setup. And it's not sucking on my productivity at all.

Posted by jzawodn at August 11, 2003 03:45 PM

Reader Comments
# Rob Speicher said:

Right-click on Klipper, go to Configure - Actions tab. Is that it? I can't reproduce what you're getting.

on August 11, 2003 04:19 PM
# Ben said:

I used to use waimea as window manager, but with KDE 3.1 I took another look at it and liked it so much that I switched.

As to the helper applet thingie, I've never seen that one. So it should be possible to turn it off...

on August 11, 2003 04:26 PM
# Jeremy Zawodny said:

Rob: Bingo. That was it. Thanks!

on August 11, 2003 04:54 PM
# Justin said:

Yep, it's klipper -- I think with KDE 3.1 it's just "Disable Actions" in the popup menu. klipper's actually pretty handy once that's off, as it remembers your last 10 (?) selections so you can backtrack when X's stupid selection mechanism accidentally selects something else, or a badly written app loses the selection when a window closes.

I've switched too (after Red Hat dropped my wm of choice, sawfish). KDE is very nice!

remaining todo: some day I'll get some tuits so I can add commandline window-motion control and get my speech-recognition WM hooks I used with sawfish working again.

remaining todo 2: haven't quite figured out how to get KDE sharing my ssh agent correctly across all windows, so I still have to use a manual session-setup script to start ssh-agent and then spawn off a bunch of rxvt's.

top tip: "kstart" is the wrapper tool to use to start up windows on a given desktop, start them up sticky for all desktops etc. etc.

on August 11, 2003 05:14 PM
# kasia said:

KDE? KDE??? Where's Jeremy and what have you done with him?

on August 11, 2003 05:19 PM
# Jeremy Zawodny said:


Install keychain now. It'll be your new best friend!

on August 11, 2003 05:23 PM
# Chris said:

Why does no one use Gnome? It just seems so much more...CLEAN than KDE? :) And yes, I know I'm starting a relgious war here...though not as bad as Emacs and Vi right?

on August 11, 2003 08:56 PM
# Kev Spencer said:


I use Gnome, Ximian's XD2 to be precise. I used to use KDE but switched a while back. I prefer the look & feel of XD2. XD2 and Evolution both rocketh hard :-)

on August 11, 2003 11:27 PM
# Reader said:

If the parts of your .Xdefaults that are being ignored have to do with colors and fonts, the knob you're looking for is in kcontrol (KDE Control Center) -> Appearance & Themes -> Colors.

There's a little checkbox there somewhere that says "Apply colors to non-KDE applications." Uncheck that, apply, and then reload all of your resources (merging won't clear it all out). You should be in business then.

Of course, you realize, that FVWM knows you'll be back.

on August 11, 2003 11:32 PM
# codemonkey said:

Dragging CD audio files to your hard drive is uber-cool in Konqueror - they convert to Ogg format on the fly.

another handy trick is dragging and dropping files from server to server using two konqueror windows. kinda handy when you're just too lazy to type...

on August 12, 2003 04:45 AM
# Paul said:

I much prefer Ximian Gnome 2

on August 12, 2003 09:18 AM
# Björn P said:

KDE is to big and slow.
Why not make it as fast as icewm or XFCE ?
When it's so slow it doesn't feel safe and reliably.

Konquerer is so slow and if you use iconview and have a long filename
it's splits up into several rows, sometime up to ten rows.
Why not have the filename to the right of the icon ?
At least as an option.

Files should have their fileextensions associated with the three
most popular programs for the filetype and when you rightclick
the three programs should appear at the top of the menu.

I also hate KDE:s icons !
Aren't there any professional looking icons or are there just icons made for kids ?

on August 13, 2003 07:15 AM
# E. Naeher said:

Real men use Ion. You will never look back.

Gnome spews CORBA errors at me every time I open a Gnome app, despite having gconfd, etc., running. KDE is just slow and ugly. Both of them perpetuate the idiotic "Start button" launching interface., and both of them use icons. When are people going to get over icons?

on August 14, 2003 12:52 PM
# wee said:

I wouldn't even be able to even think about using any other WM besides KDE unless it also has KIOSlaves (kio_fish in particular). Bloated or not, I just don't think I could go back to the dark ages. The fun stuff like being able to automatically create OGG files from audio CDs is great, but it's being able to open nearly any kind of file from almost any remote computer that's got me hooked. Not 30 minutes ago, I used ksnapshot to take a screen grab and save it on a remote machine with a web server so that someone could see what I was seeing. It was effortless. I also use konqueror to move files over ssh all the time. I've also been using smb IO slave to get work done from remote Windows machines.

on August 18, 2003 03:23 PM
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on November 4, 2003 11:35 PM
# Dave said:

gnome>kde, its faster still easy to use, and doesnt suck donkey balls when presented with some customisation

on September 6, 2005 03:40 PM
# Chris Done said:

With reference to Björn P's comment, and all the others who claim differences speed must remember that those differences vary depending on implementation.

I find that KDE is as fast as XFCE, and about double the speed of GNOME for loading times and general refreshing. I started with GNOME, then XFCE, then tried KDE and it actually made GNOME applications faster than in XFCE (wehey). This isn't a misconception, this is just stating it as it is.

Whereas on my friend's computer, of the same distribution, GNOME is faster.

Speed is irrelevant for saying "use this".

We can only say "I like features, you might want to try this out and see how it works out for you" without sounding stupid.

Nice blog.

P.S. a picture of my deskop, yay:

on May 15, 2006 06:14 PM
# said:

If anyone stumbles here like I did looking for the .Xdefaults problem, it needs to be renamed to .Xresources, .Xdefaults has been deprecated

on January 20, 2007 10:56 AM
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